The Vile Lie Debate

October 4th, 2012

Inspired by The First Debate: Mitt Romney’s Five Biggest Lies (Rolling Stone 10/04/12), Fact Check: Romney Told 27 Myths in 38 Minutes During the Debate (AlterNet 10/04/12), and Mitt Romney: Lying to victory (DailyKos10/04/1206:05).

 

“Look, I’ve got five boys. I’m used to people saying something that’s not always true, but they just keep on repeating it and hoping I’ll believe it. But that is not the case, all right?” — Mitt Romney at debate last night
 
“Mr. President, Mr. President, you’re entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts” — Mitt about an hour later
 
“The challenge that I’ll have in the debate is that the president tends to, how shall I say it, to say things that aren’t true.” — Mitt a few weeks ago, preemptively explaining that he expects Obama to lie at the debate, since, you know, that’s what Obama does
 
“It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.” — Bill Clinton at the DNC

 

Mitt did well last night.

How did he do it?

There really is

Nothing to it.

 

Romney flip-flopped

And he lied,

And everything he ever said before

Denied.

 

Mitt, it’s no use denying

Or pithily replying

And saying your opponent:

Is the one who’s lying.

 

There’s no liar more vile

Than one who couples his denial

With hollow counter-accusation

And character assassination.

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Here’s the full debate. The two quotes above are at the 14” and 1’17” marks.

 

Here’s Ed’s 10/04/12 report. (He does an excellent job going over Romney’s lies.)

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Here’s Jon Stewart’s 10/04/12 report. Thankfully, Jon Stewart is as adept in unmasking lies as Romney is in making them…

 

Here’s Rolling Stone’s top 5:

  1. “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut.”
  2. “I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.”
  3. “We’ve got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country.”
  4. Obamacare “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.”
  1. “Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.”

Here’s the Daily Kos list:

1)       When he claimed that “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” They’re not.

2)       When he said that President Obama had “cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare.” Obama didn’t.

3)       When he denied proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. He did.

4)       When he said President Obama had “added almost as much to the federal debt as all the prior presidents combined.” Not even close.

5)       When he resurrected “death panels.” That was called “one of the biggest whoppers of the night.”

6)       When he stated that half the green energy companies given stimulus funds had failed. Only if three out of nearly three dozen is half.

Here’s AlterNet’s list of 27 (the article charitably characterizes them as “myths”):

1)       “[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”

2)       “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.”

3)       “My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.”

4)       “My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.”

5)       “I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.”

6)       “I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” 

7)       “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate….97 percent of the businesses are not — not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they’re taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half — half of all the people who work in small business.”

8)       “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” 

9)       “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” 

10)   “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” 

11)   “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” 

12)   “I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, you’re going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then you’re going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best.”

13)   “I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake.”

14)   “What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.”

15)   “Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.”

16)   “And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” 

17)   “Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.”

18)   “But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.”

19)   “And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” 

20)   “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” 

21)   “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.”

22)   “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” 

23)   “It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” 

24)   “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” 

25)   “In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” 

26)   “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” 

27)   “If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.”

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